FAQ  •  Login

It took more than a hundred for Rachael, didn't it...

Moderator: Wilkins Rep-Detect BR2349

<<

Planta

User avatar

Rep Detect Instructor
Rep Detect Instructor

Posts: 215

Joined: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:49 am

Location: Italia

Post Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:59 am

It took more than a hundred for Rachael, didn't it...

guys, that's something got me wondering a long time now, and hopefully you can help me on that. i'm talking about the VK test on Rachael. the scene is cut out so that it seems that the time passes on, so, at the end, we don't know exactly how many questions Deck actually asked Rachael. right? now, after the VK test has finished, Tyrell asks Deck how many questions it usually takes to spot a rep, and, by scripts, he says: "It took more than a hundred for Rachael, didn't it?". this means that Deck actually asked more than a hundred questions to Rachael, right?
i'm asking this because of (what i now think is) a bad translation job on the italian version, where Tyrell would say exactly: "It SHOULD take more than a hundred for Rachael, didn't it?". now, you understand that replacing "took" with "should" drastically changes the meaning of the line. i always thought, if it should take more than a hundred questions, this means that Deck didn't actually asked her so many. so how could he be able to spot her with way less questions? especially on Rachael, who's been given memories and is basically an evolution of a standard Nexus-6? i really couldn't get it.
but, i was reading the original english script yesterday and when i got to the above mentioned line i was like Wow, now i got it! Tyrell says it TOOK more than a hundred questions! we can't see it in the film but he actually asked that many, right?
hopefully you can get my english and confirm on that? thanks in advance.
<<

deleted

User avatar

Veteran Blade Runner
Veteran Blade Runner

Posts: 1191

Joined: Sun May 14, 2006 7:11 pm

Location: The banks of chaos in my mind

Post Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:11 am

Yeah. Deckard asked Rachel over 100 questions, hence the fade with the quiet dialogs

Most reps take, what, 20-30 cross-referenced. It took more than 100 for Rachel because she didn't know (yet).
[In reference to A Good Year] "So anyway, fuck 'em. It was a good film."
-Ridley Scott
<<

Planta

User avatar

Rep Detect Instructor
Rep Detect Instructor

Posts: 215

Joined: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:49 am

Location: Italia

Post Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:58 am

thanks! i'll never learn enough on BR! :D
<<

ridleynoir

User avatar

Veteran Blade Runner
Veteran Blade Runner

Posts: 1335

Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2002 6:00 pm

Location: Rochester NY

Post Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:02 am

I hope the translations for the new discs will be better, That is almost unforgivable. On a related note for film blooper, howcome the sun didn't set(or rise higher) if he asked her so many questions? It would have told the passage of time better IMHO.
Image
<<

Planta

User avatar

Rep Detect Instructor
Rep Detect Instructor

Posts: 215

Joined: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:49 am

Location: Italia

Post Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:28 am

ridleynoir wrote:That is almost unforgivable.


yea, it made be wondering some years now. but, actually, it's even my fault, too, cause i could be reading the english script earlier. just didn't come up to my mind, i just trusted the translation too much :x



ridleynoir wrote:howcome the sun didn't set (or rise higher) if he asked her so many questions? It would have told the passage of time better IMHO.


good point! that's another wrong detail that made me unconsciously think that Deck just asked Rachael only about a dozen questions. so there was discrepancy with this dozen a questions, the 20-30 cross-referenced needed for a standard Nexus and the 100+ that "should" have taken for Rachael (according to the wrong translation).

pheew... another spotted bloop :lol: thanks guys!
<<

Gene Ettix

User avatar

Blade Runner
Blade Runner

Posts: 618

Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2001 6:00 pm

Location: Tyrell Corp. U.S.

Post Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:43 pm

I can't remember if we discussed this before, and please excuse me for changing the subject a bit, but I don't feel the need to start a new thread.
There's something else during Rachel's VK test that always intrigued me:

It happens during the "fade with the quiet dialogs" (as aptly said by deleted). Obviously, this "fade" is to give the illusion of the passage of time, and I believe it works rather well.The dialog that's spoken at this time is what strikes my curiosity...
If you listen closely, Deckard can be heard asking the question, "...bush outside your window... orange body,green legs?"
We all know this conversation (about the spider) happens later in the film. Why was this particular line inserted at this moment? I don't believe it's a blooper so much. I think maybe there's a deeper significance. Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it. I'd love to hear anyone's ideas on this. Thanks :)
ImageImageImage
<<

deleted

User avatar

Veteran Blade Runner
Veteran Blade Runner

Posts: 1191

Joined: Sun May 14, 2006 7:11 pm

Location: The banks of chaos in my mind

Post Wed Apr 04, 2007 12:51 pm

Its intentional. Its to subtly stick it in your memory, a key element in the film, for later when Deckard asks her about it.

Did you hear him say that earlier or not? Maybe you did, maybe you didn't....can you trust your own memories?

Its very clever on Mr. Scott's part.
[In reference to A Good Year] "So anyway, fuck 'em. It was a good film."
-Ridley Scott
<<

Planta

User avatar

Rep Detect Instructor
Rep Detect Instructor

Posts: 215

Joined: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:49 am

Location: Italia

Post Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:21 am

wow! i always wonder how many meanings and symbols are hidden here & there throughout the film? i mean, there will be, say, hundreds essays and treatises and billions words about BR since it came out, and we're still discovering new things any day 25 years later! Scott, Fancher and Peoples are genious. we gotta love the guys!
<<

Masao

User avatar

Rep Detect Instructor
Rep Detect Instructor

Posts: 232

Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:54 am

Post Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:10 am

I doubt there was any intentional cleverness here. Like the set dressing it looks like it was another case of "Use what you already have, no one will notice."

You can see this in the Bulova travel clocks in the Spinner and Deckard's apartment, or in any of the reused items throughout the film.

How many do you think they had of:
Spherical teapots?
Shotglass containers?
Walkie Talkie sets?
Spinners?
Taxis?
Espers?
Etc etc etc.

In several scenes you can see the same people repeat even though they should not show up again in the same sequence.

In one picture you can even see both of the JW bottles made for the film.

The cleverness was using everything all at once to create the illusion of cluttler. In some rare instances, they had the budget for multiple new items. You can see this with the umbrellas and the blasters for all (5?) cops.

Beyond that, who knows?
<<

deleted

User avatar

Veteran Blade Runner
Veteran Blade Runner

Posts: 1191

Joined: Sun May 14, 2006 7:11 pm

Location: The banks of chaos in my mind

Post Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:01 pm

No, the spider thing was intentional. It was a memory thing.
[In reference to A Good Year] "So anyway, fuck 'em. It was a good film."
-Ridley Scott
<<

ridleynoir

User avatar

Veteran Blade Runner
Veteran Blade Runner

Posts: 1335

Joined: Wed Mar 13, 2002 6:00 pm

Location: Rochester NY

Post Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:50 pm

Ridley very intentionally gave instructions for what kind of set dressing he wanted from Linda. A good portion of it was intentional, and that would only be backed up by them being used over and over again. Read the interview onBlade Zone here...

http://media.bladezone.com/contents/fil ... index.html
Image
<<

Masao

User avatar

Rep Detect Instructor
Rep Detect Instructor

Posts: 232

Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:54 am

Post Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:51 pm

To answer the question, it should have only taken a few questions to uncover a Replicant.

"It took more than a hundred for Rachael, didn't it?".
means that something was wrong and suddenly the VK test was becoming useless.

Return to Blade Runner Round Table

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests