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Post Thu Dec 30, 2004 5:09 pm

deck as a rep in the book

my brother and i were discussing blade runner and DADOES. he said that in the movie, he thought he was human, but when he read the book, he caught lots of clues hinting he was a replicant. most of this i never caught up on, until we talked about it.

one thing we talked about was the owl. he wanted an animal, a real one, but he wouldnt accept the animal because he feared for his own life, something only a rep would care about. i never noticed this until a few nights ago.

when you read the book, what did you think? human or rep?
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Post Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:49 pm

He was definately human in the book...he took the voight kamph test and passed...but he was supposed to question his idedntity.
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Post Thu Dec 30, 2004 7:54 pm

he passed, yes, but at the time, it was difficult, even when the subject passed or failed, to tell weather they were human or not. the test was becoming viod.
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Post Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:04 am

ridleynoir wrote:He was definately human in the book...he took the voight kamph test and passed...but he was supposed to question his idedntity.


I just read Scott Bukatman's 'Blade Runner' published by the BFI (British Film Institute) and in it he says that Dick's novel also alludes to Deckard as being a replicant.

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Post Fri Dec 31, 2004 12:09 pm

finally a new addition worth discussing on the "deckard: human vs rep" forum :-)

i read DADOES about 4 times, each time with the conclusion that he was human, with hints that he might be a replicant. things like him being so cold and heartless, killing luba luft the way he did.
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Post Fri Dec 31, 2004 7:56 pm

Quick! Get a Ouija and ask PKD! :wink:
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Post Fri Dec 31, 2004 10:49 pm

I've read the first two volumes (of five) of PKD short stories - in some of them the 'hero' isn't human and doesn't even know it. Leaves the question open in my eyes.
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Post Fri Aug 05, 2005 3:15 pm

Leon Corporation wrote:I just read Scott Bukatman's 'Blade Runner' published by the BFI (British Film Institute) and in it he says that Dick's novel also alludes to Deckard as being a replicant.

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Not to mention the fact that Rachael had nearly fooled Deckard on the V-K test. Though Rosen explains her trip on Salander 3 as a means of reasoning her lack of empathy, Rachael (with full understanding of the V-K) could've explained it on her own. But it would've only seemed legit if someone else vouched for her. It was mere luck that Deckard was able to uncover the truth.
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Post Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:31 pm

P.K. Dick's novel DADoES does allude to Rick Deckard as being an android. However, there is evidence within its' pages that shows conclusively that in fact he is human. Below are a few major points supporting my conclusion.

1 Mercerism. Only humans ?fuse? with Mercer, and have the capability of understanding it and the empathy involved. Rick Deckard participated in "fusing" and is a follower of that faith.

2 His regard for animals. Androids have none. (Mercerism considers it a moral duty to breed and raise animals.)

3 He passed the VK test.
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Post Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:38 pm

Kaneda wrote:
Leon Corporation wrote:
Not to mention the fact that Rachael had nearly fooled Deckard on the V-K test. Though Rosen explains her trip on Salander 3 as a means of reasoning her lack of empathy, Rachael (with full understanding of the V-K) could've explained it on her own. But it would've only seemed legit if someone else vouched for her. It was mere luck that Deckard was able to uncover the truth.


The first result was that Rachael tested positive as an android. Eldon Rosen try'd manipulating Deckard into believing otherwise. Deckard's instincts beckoned from within and he wanted to ask one final question to Rachael. That was all he needed to confirm his original result.
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Post Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:37 pm

Kipple wrote:P.K. Dick's novel DADoES does allude to Rick Deckard as being an android. However, there is evidence within its' pages that shows conclusively that in fact he is human. Below are a few major points supporting my conclusion.

1 Mercerism. Only humans ?fuse? with Mercer, and have the capability of understanding it and the empathy involved. Rick Deckard participated in "fusing" and is a follower of that faith.

2 His regard for animals. Androids have none. (Mercerism considers it a moral duty to breed and raise animals.)

3 He passed the VK test.


My rebuttal:
At one point during the novel the androids mention that they want to create a way to fuse with Mercer, or a similar mentor. Its possible that Deckard could've been an experimental android like Rachael. If given some false memories and elements of real life (a job, a wife, etc.) he could possibly develop the mental ability (empathy, in this case) to comprehend Mercerism. Even Rachael demonstrated some level of empathy (she had been friends with the rogue androids), so its still possible. Deckard, therefore, could feasibly aquire a love of animals over time. As for the V-K test, perhaps he wasn't asking himself the right questions to make the test. Remember, he didn't fully take the test himself. Or maybe, due to his time spent as a "human" he developed enough of a conscience to "fool" the V-K test into registering him as human.

End of rebuttal.
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