Replicants Clones or Machines
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The idea seems to have evolved over time:<BR><BR>(This is from memory, so may not be totally accurate - feel free to correct me)<BR><BR>In the book DADOES they are mechanical - but not in the sense that they had internal gears and mechanisms, but that they consisted of 'organic' parts made from synthetic materials - they were not 'grown' like a clone would be. I seem to recall that the only sure-fire way to identify a Rep was by bone-marrow tissue analysis...<BR><BR><BR>In a scene that was story-boarded for the movie but never shot, Deckard can be seen removing a jaw-bone from a Rep - the jaw-bone had the serial number of the Rep etched into it. This 'trophy' was collected as proof of retirement. This suggests to me that the replicants were originally concieved as mechanical in same was as DADOES - synthetic 'organic' parts.<BR><BR>In the final cut of the movie they appear to be 100% organic (clones) - Roy's conversation with Tyrell uses terminology associated with the real 'clone' science of today...<BR><BR>K W Jeter's books go further and clearly states that Reps are clones - several of the main characters are clone 'templates'...<BR><BR>_________________<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><IMG SRC="http://www.deckard.worldonline.co.uk/filez/BR26354.gif" BORDER="0"><!-- BBCode End --><BR><BR>Richard Gunn<BR>News and Content Manager for Bladezone<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><A HREF="mailto:richardg@bladezone.com">richardg@bladezone.com</A><!-- BBCode End --><BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Deckard BR26354 on 2002-12-30 06:37 ]</font>
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We each live in our own realities - who's maintaining yours?
The only thing that you can be 100% sure of, is that you can't be 100% sure of anything.
I agree that they're probably supposed to be "clones" in the final film, but I love the idea of the synthetic organism. <BR><BR>In fact, if I'm not mistaken, Roy's odd tattoos were originally conceived as attachment points for various tubes, devices, space suit couplings, etc. I suppose that leans more towards a synthetic (and probably more modifyable) organism.
Deckard BR26354 and BenMund both make good reference to known facts there. It is in the book that it required a painful bone marrow test to positively prove without any doubt that a person is a Rep. (Can be done on the living, not just autopsy.) In the film, or rather not in the film - the hospital scene has Bryant mention a 3 hour autopsy before they found out a person was a Rep.<BR><BR>But yes, some of the earlier film ideas did seem to suggest that they were thinking of differences to a "normal" human physiology. But in the final version, we are very much left with genetic engineering and talk of DNA, etc.<BR><BR>My personal view, (which is an interpretation derived from what we know, not factual in itself), is that the Reps are VAT grown from recombined Human DNA. This growth is highly accelerated and a lot of their brain programming is fed in by electrical signal before the Rep first "awakens". The result thus has an almost completely human body, but combining the very best of human natural and conditioned responses. Some humans can jump a long distance; some humans have quite amazing reflexes; some humans can tolerate freezing conditions completely naked for a surprising length of time; some humans can probably stick their hands in boiling water for a few seconds without suffering harm. I suggest that in the DNA recombination and conditioing while the Rep is growing, all of these things are built in. Hence you get a Rep that is "More Human Than Human", but is very much based on Humans. The technology could very well be developed from original cloning technology. I certainly don't go along with the "assembled from pieces" idea though.<BR>
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<!-- BBCode Quote Start --><TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><BLOCKQUOTE><BR>On 2002-12-30 06:36, Deckard BR26354 wrote:<BR>The idea seems to have evolved over time:<BR><BR>(This is from memory, so may not be totally accurate - feel free to correct me)<BR><BR>In the book DADOES they are mechanical - but not in the sense that they had internal gears and mechanisms, but that they consisted of 'organic' parts made from synthetic materials - they were not 'grown' like a clone would be. I seem to recall that the only sure-fire way to identify a Rep was by bone-marrow tissue analysis...<BR><BR><BR>In a scene that was story-boarded for the movie but never shot, Deckard can be seen removing a jaw-bone from a Rep - the jaw-bone had the serial number of the Rep etched into it. This 'trophy' was collected as proof of retirement. This suggests to me that the replicants were originally concieved as mechanical in same was as DADOES - synthetic 'organic' parts.<BR><BR>In the final cut of the movie they appear to be 100% organic (clones) - Roy's conversation with Tyrell uses terminology associated with the real 'clone' science of today...<BR><BR>K W Jeter's books go further and clearly states that Reps are clones - several of the main characters are clone 'templates'...<BR><BR>_________________<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><IMG SRC="http://www.deckard.worldonline.co.uk/filez/BR26354.gif" BORDER="0"><!-- BBCode End --><BR><BR>Richard Gunn<BR>News and Content Manager for Bladezone<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><A HREF="mailto:richardg@bladezone.com">richardg@bladezone.com</A><!-- BBCode End --><BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Deckard BR26354 on 2002-12-30 06:37 ]</font><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE><!-- BBCode Quote End --><BR><BR>Your thoughts were correct that's what i was thinking the whole time Pris However in K.W. Jetter's books was brought back to life and the thing i remember about it was her eyes they seemed to be really weird and unclone like however
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<!-- BBCode Quote Start --><TABLE BORDER=0 ALIGN=CENTER WIDTH=85%><TR><TD><font size=-1>Quote:</font><HR></TD></TR><TR><TD><FONT SIZE=-1><BLOCKQUOTE><BR>On 2002-12-30 06:36, Deckard BR26354 wrote:<BR>The idea seems to have evolved over time:<BR><BR>(This is from memory, so may not be totally accurate - feel free to correct me)<BR><BR>In the book DADOES they are mechanical - but not in the sense that they had internal gears and mechanisms, but that they consisted of 'organic' parts made from synthetic materials - they were not 'grown' like a clone would be. I seem to recall that the only sure-fire way to identify a Rep was by bone-marrow tissue analysis...<BR><BR><BR>In a scene that was story-boarded for the movie but never shot, Deckard can be seen removing a jaw-bone from a Rep - the jaw-bone had the serial number of the Rep etched into it. This 'trophy' was collected as proof of retirement. This suggests to me that the replicants were originally concieved as mechanical in same was as DADOES - synthetic 'organic' parts.<BR><BR>In the final cut of the movie they appear to be 100% organic (clones) - Roy's conversation with Tyrell uses terminology associated with the real 'clone' science of today...<BR><BR>K W Jeter's books go further and clearly states that Reps are clones - several of the main characters are clone 'templates'...<BR><BR>_________________<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><IMG SRC="http://www.deckard.worldonline.co.uk/filez/BR26354.gif" BORDER="0"><!-- BBCode End --><BR><BR>Richard Gunn<BR>News and Content Manager for Bladezone<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><A HREF="mailto:richardg@bladezone.com">richardg@bladezone.com</A><!-- BBCode End --><BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Deckard BR26354 on 2002-12-30 06:37 ]</font><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></TD></TR><TR><TD><HR></TD></TR></TABLE><!-- BBCode Quote End --><BR><BR>Your thoughts were correct that's what i was thinking the whole time Pris However in K.W. Jetter's books was brought back to life and the thing i remember about it was her eyes they seemed to be really weird and unclone like however
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The opening crawl refers to Replicants as having "advanced Robot evolution into the Nexus phase." However, the crawl also makes mention of the "genetic engineers who created them." This leads me to believe that they are more or less how they are in the novel. That is, they are machines, but they function on a purely biological level. Andys in the novel would eventually kick the bucket because their cells would stop replicating. I would assume this is what happens to Roy in the film as well.
So I guess you could compare Replicants to any human being with a mechanical aid: be it a pacemaker, artificial limbs, etc. They're still living things but with machines as part of them as well.
So I guess you could compare Replicants to any human being with a mechanical aid: be it a pacemaker, artificial limbs, etc. They're still living things but with machines as part of them as well.
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Replicant\rep'-li cant\n. See also Robot (antique): Android (obsolete) Nexus (generic):
Synthetic human, with paraphysical capabilities having skin/flesh culture.
Also: Rep, skin job (slang):
Off-world use: Combat, high-risk industrial deepspace probe. On-world use prohibited. Specifications and quantities---information classified.
New American Dictionary. Copyright (C) 2016
* This definition is from the intro of BLADE RUNNER (Workprint version only)
* It's also printed in one of the two booklets included with my BR game
Synthetic human, with paraphysical capabilities having skin/flesh culture.
Also: Rep, skin job (slang):
Off-world use: Combat, high-risk industrial deepspace probe. On-world use prohibited. Specifications and quantities---information classified.
New American Dictionary. Copyright (C) 2016
* This definition is from the intro of BLADE RUNNER (Workprint version only)
* It's also printed in one of the two booklets included with my BR game
Well, they are definitely organic, but insofar as they are completely designed by bioengineers you could also say that they are machines(Assuming one defines a machine as any artificially created complex system). Biological machines, if you will. A bit like the Cylons..
Presumably in 2019, genome sequencing has become so cheap that there is a huge amount of data and sufficient computing power to analyse it properly. It will have become become possible to completely design an organism from scratch, produce an entire DNA strand , inject it into the nucleus of a fertilised egg, then accelerate it's growth to maturity in a short time and manipulate it's neural matrix to implant those pesky false memories that poor Rachael got in such a tiz about.
I like to think of DNA as a closed source compiled binary. At present there is no way to decompile this properly, but by 2019 we will be able to and there will high level genetic languages that can be written and then compiled into real living organisms. Well, in the Blade Runner universe at least. But I suspect similar technology is evoling in the real world as well and will out there in the not too hugely distant future.
In fact I suspect we will master the kind of technology for creatiing organic replicants before will master truly intelligent sapient silicon base AI. Memory implant and rapid growth acceleration still seen more science fiction, than science fact. But I can see how we be able to design complex organisms almost from scratch - That's all about efficiently analysing stupidly large amounts of data and then applying it.
Presumably in 2019, genome sequencing has become so cheap that there is a huge amount of data and sufficient computing power to analyse it properly. It will have become become possible to completely design an organism from scratch, produce an entire DNA strand , inject it into the nucleus of a fertilised egg, then accelerate it's growth to maturity in a short time and manipulate it's neural matrix to implant those pesky false memories that poor Rachael got in such a tiz about.
I like to think of DNA as a closed source compiled binary. At present there is no way to decompile this properly, but by 2019 we will be able to and there will high level genetic languages that can be written and then compiled into real living organisms. Well, in the Blade Runner universe at least. But I suspect similar technology is evoling in the real world as well and will out there in the not too hugely distant future.
In fact I suspect we will master the kind of technology for creatiing organic replicants before will master truly intelligent sapient silicon base AI. Memory implant and rapid growth acceleration still seen more science fiction, than science fact. But I can see how we be able to design complex organisms almost from scratch - That's all about efficiently analysing stupidly large amounts of data and then applying it.
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