Here's another interesting plot hole...

Tannhauser gate sounds like a wormhole portal which could imply that by 2016 we've managed to travel through them safely, making 'travel time' to distant stars irelevant yeh?

Perhaps it's an interesting starting point for BR II, no?



-------------------------Exterior Space -------------------------------------------



Location: Tannhauser Gate, travel port

Mean distance from the Earth (km) 6,714,730,000

Temperature: 35 K -238 C

Vehicle: Off World Commercial Flight Daedalus II

Cargo: Unknown





OK, that was my contribution. Who does the next part?

that would be a huge technological jump to make in 12 years...not to mention pretty fast construction. Must have had the team from monster garage working on it. I see the value of unlimited slave labor though.

I predict that in the next 10 years alone we are going to see things unimaginable become possible, 2035 is not too far away either and this is apparently the date when our civilization advancement will spiral out of control and everything and anything will become possible.

that's if we don't blow ourselves up first...

I predict that in the next 10 years alone we are going to see things unimaginable become possible, 2035 is not too far away either and this is apparently the date when our civilization advancement will spiral out of control and everything and anything will become possible.

that's if we don't blow ourselves up first...

Nostradamus?

I've heard an interesting theory which might get us stuck here and now:
According to this there's going to be no new knowledge after the year 2012. So, no new inventions, no new spacecrafts, no new technology - we will be running in circles after 2012.
I don't usually believe in theories of this kind, but there is some logic behind it:
We already have problems handling our knowledge. Old knowledge gets lost constantly and has to be reinvented or reconstructed. And if we have knowledge we seem to be quite bad in passing it on. People here can't even read properly, how are they going to get us to the stars? Of course you could leave it to the top 5 % of the population, but will those few be able to handle everything involving some sort of know how?
What we established throughout history is poorly catalogued. Either you won't find any records at all or you're drowned by lousy theories and literature. We are wasting potential here and I don't think we can afford to do this.
I'd say that as long as we don't start to find some new learning methods and a good way to accumulate knowledge and make it accessible, we're going no where at all.
That is in the real world - we never had problems getting to anywhere in fiction.

[Kipple]

I've heard an interesting theory which might get us stuck here and now:
According to this there's going to be no new knowledge after the year 2012. So, no new inventions, no new spacecrafts, no new technology - we will be running in circles after 2012.
I don't usually believe in theories of this kind, but there is some logic behind it.

This concept has been in my head as well these past months. I have thoughts on this...to start here is a quote from an article by Harold Williamson*,

"The pace of technological innovation outstripped the biological evolution of its creator by leaps and bounds during the 20th century. With much of the human brain having been built from an archaic design using recycled parts, its evolution slowly plods along like Aesop?s fabled tortoise while the hare of technology that it creates foolishly races ahead and overwhelms the human brain with data beyond its capacity for synthesis. Knowledge is fast becoming a dispiriting accumulation of factual information that is devoid of any meaning, causing popular ignorance to flourish during a time of unprecedented learning."

I share his opinion on this matter.

Other ideas on this matter that come to mind are the histories of known civilizations. Throughout human history, either through "natural" consequences or through design by conquer, civilizations have been erased or corrupted. One example of MANY...is the world of knowledge (literally) that was lost that we had around 300 BCE at the library of Alexandria, in Egypt. I believe if we had saved those scrolls and used them accordingly (wisely) we would have people living on Mars this day. We would live in a much different world. But, alas, things are as they are as a result of this void.

Perhaps this distruction of the library...and of the many civillizations that went before and after (Mesopotamia, the Indus Civilization, Ancient China), is a natural defense(?)/reaction to prevent the decay of our civilization. If we lose a thought...we can regain it another time and believe it was new. If we lose the plans to a spacecraft to take us into interstellor space safely...we (or someone else) can design another one in some other time. Some further quotes to ponder over:

I invent nothing, I rediscover.
Auguste Rodin

A society made up of individuals who were all capable of original thought would probably be unendurable.
H. L. Mencken

Very interesting food for thought. Much more to be ingested...let alone digested!

Cheers!





* Thinking Anew: A Do-It-Yourself Project ,by Harold Williamson
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/June04/Williamson0627.htm

According to this there's going to be no new knowledge after the year 2012

Is this theory related in some way with the ancient Mayan prophecies? I read something like that a long time ago and it came from the mayans... I don't remember clearly.

Very interesting theam, and i'd love to see it continue, here's my thoughts on it.

knowledge has in the past been the preserve of societys elite,Education and information where ways of retaining control of the masses, by those few with power, this often coincided with control of finances,it is only very recently that education for all has been established in most western countrys.
In my lifetime i have seen the role of women totally change in society,and in turn i have seen societys expectations change,i do belive that i will witness many more profound developments in all areas,and i do apreciate that it can seem as if with every advance we also seem to loose something of our past, but i belive this is a subjective and ( no offence intended here) a romantization of how it used to be,today thanks to undreamt of discoverys in modern medicine we here in the west can expect to live longer healthier lives than at any time before,Tomorrow is my fathers 74th birthday, he will spend the morning haveing kidney dialasis, 20ty years ago this would not have been posible, not because dialasis was not avalible but because he would have been considered to old to benifit,but the introduction of EPO injections and refinements in dialasis havement that older patients with renal failure can now benifit from this treatment,some of this was developed after NASA tests on returning astronauts.
When i was a child, in the early 60tys a computer was something i only saw on TV, they always stood as tall as a door and had two tape reels runing back and forth the obligitory man in a white coat with clip board would stand next to this amazing machine,I never imagined i would use one.
Today i think the most important question faceing society is not its progress but its morality in respect of its technological achivements and aplications.

2012? come on, we still need to invent food replicators and holodecks. there's a lot more to invent, that guy just isnt creative enough to think of them.

we still need:
lightsabers
personal spacecraft
food replicators
holograms
in-home VIDEOPHONES!!! (already made, but not very common)
the matrix-style computer gaming (total phycological imersion into the game)
hover cars like on blade runner
computers that are commanded by voice instead of mice and keyboards
3d panoramic movies

we have got to a point where instead of coming up with new ideas we just keep refining what we already have. At the same time education is getting worse. We have a lot of people with knowlage and a lot more that think they have knowlage.

I've heard an interesting theory which might get us stuck here and now:
According to this there's going to be no new knowledge after the year 2012. So, no new inventions, no new spacecrafts, no new technology - we will be running in circles after 2012.

How can you have 'no new knowlege'?

Have you got a link for this? Sounds like another 'end of the world' prediction to me. Not 'Bible Code' is it?

Peronally, I do believe that some technologies are suppressed for military advantage, commercial gain and to maintain control. But that's different from 'no new knowlege'.

How can you have 'no new knowlege'?

In theory: Let's assume that you've got a population of 1000 individuals. 100 of them are responsible for the creation, preservation and reconstruction of knowledge. The other 900 are not skilled enough to handle it. The more new knowledge those 100 individuals create the more time they have to spend on preservation and reconstruction. Thus there is less time to create any new knowledge. At one point no new knowledge will be created, because everyone is busy with the upkeep. That is unless you get some of the other 900 to start creating knowledge.

Have you got a link for this? Sounds like another 'end of the world' prediction to me. Not 'Bible Code' is it?

I haven't found anything sophisticated on this. And I don't believe it's the end of the world. I'd compare it to a person suffering from Alzheimer's disease: Once knowledge is lost, no one will remember it. You can create the same knowledge and still think of it as something brand new.

That's not how Notradamus saw it! He saw a Third World War (more devastating than all previous wars combined). After that, mankind will take giant leaps ahead. That's just the basic, I don't know all the details.

The problem with Nostradamus' prophecies is that he was composing them as short verses, which he didn't understand himself.

if you have ever read any of Nostradamus's stuff...most books paraphrase him because 90percent of what he wrote still makes no sense. It is about 10 percent or less of his quatrains that seemingly talk about stuff that we recognize. My feeling is that he just got lucky with some names that sounded like ones from modern history i.e. Hitler sounds like Hister which is an ancient region in Germany. From his context it means something completely different. To make things more confusing, everytime something happens(like 9-11)people make up stuff he said to sound like he predicted it. There are too many Doomsayers that are trying to fullfill the prophecies of Nostradamus, the Bible and the Koran. Like in the last Millenium so many people thought that end of the world was coming that they didn't plant crops so when the new millenium began many people starved...fullfilling the prophecy for them.