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Post Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:41 am

Who was Deckard?

We often discuss topics like who should play Deckard or should the narration stay. But with all this talk about a sequel, we might ask the more fundemental questions.

While I and many others dislike the Replicant Deckard version of the story, there is an undeniable direction this leads us in.

It begs the question: Who was Deckard??

As I see it there are 3 basic possiblities:

-Deckard was not a Replicant

-Deckard was a Replicant but...he was made from Holden

-Deckard was a Replicant but...he was made from someone else who also was a BladeRunner.

The first possibility has been covered to death, the next follows:

The story begins with an eye...not Deckard's, yet it is a recurrent theme throughout the film. It is Holden's eye.

Deckard doesn't begin until Holden's dangerous BladeRunning days are over. Holden doesn't die in the film and is probably saved by staff doctors at Tyrell.

In the out-takes Holden knows Deckard and chats with him like they are old friends. There is a problem though. If they are old friends, neither is a replicant.

All this leads to one possible conclusion; Deckard is Holden. Or at least a facsimile. Holden knows it...unless...

Holden did die, but was memory harvested before he died and a replicant lies in the hospital to brief Deckard. Rep Holden might not know.

One other minor fact that supports the possiblity of Deckard being Holden is the physical resemblance of the two BladeRunners as well as in mannersisms and in speech.

Was Deckard just a quick copy of Holden?


The third possiblity: The real Deckard.

This, while possible, is according to Tyrell, unlikely. The mneumonic technique seems new and would not have been used on an exiting BladeRunner to harvest his memories "just in case".

Though it is still possible that someone thought that far ahead, it doesn't mesh with the story...unless that is how the real Deckard financed his off-world excursion.

This leads to a totally new question. Where is the real Deckard?

If he is Holden, we know where. If he is not, is he off-world? -Alive? -Dead??
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Post Tue Jun 12, 2007 7:59 am

Taking this a step further...

If deckard was a Replicant, what kind was he??

Was he just another uncontrollable Nexus 6 that would need to be retired? Was he a pet project like Rachael was supposed to be? Was he a more reliable, but less capable Nexus 5??

Considering Gaff's name, it would be easy to conclude that Deckard needed supervision. Nexus 5s while being reliable, tended to give up easier and would not defeat any number of Nexus 6s.

Nexus 6s have proven themselves way too dangerous for the task and would only be equal to any other 6 and not superior. Sending one of anything only shows a confidence reserved for a sure thing...or a tiny budget. :)

This leads to one conclusion: Deckard was something special. Like Rachel.

While this might make the most sense, people do not always operate logically.

If politics are considered, there is a good chance that Deckard is a 5 and not even the first sent after Batty and his team.

At one point in the film, Batty seems to know Deckard and taunts him. That is, he seems to know about Deckard even if he doen't actually know him. There could even be a possiblity that this was not the first Deckard sent...as long as the narration isn't used.

Finally, while the idea of using a 6 would be ruled out, there is still the number discrepancy. Was Deckard one of the replicants that was stopped at the Tyrell building only to be reprogrammed?

This too makes sense if there was a BladeRunner whose memories could be used.

If there were only Holden, then it becomes more likely that Deckard was not only one of the escaped 6s, but also Holden.

One idea that backs this up, is the original script ending where Deckard's own hand becomes a claw like Batty's.

This presents two ideas:
-Deckard had roughly the same lifespan as Batty and was roughly from the same period.

-Deckard was programmed (reprogrammed) after Holden was disabled.
If BladeRunners were common, Holden would have been replaced by a much more willing detective. He wasn't. This means BladeRunners are in short supply.

Since it would be common practice to give such a case to a remaining partner, it would be a good idea to keep Holden on the case if possible.

But then again we all know that Deckard was not a replicant, right?

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Post Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:06 pm

:arrow: Go to the one on the list titled Gaffs little models and look at some points of view ,simple ? , possibly reliable ,when you don't want to get your brain twisted in a worse not . Look under my subject "should've been?.....views for yous..?" It's a building of many words ,you can't miss it :P Feel free to let me know if it's something you can work with? :P :P
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Post Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:28 pm

They're almost us! -holden
could he be talking about a transformation development? If they mix into the population ..woe! :!: gaff--said something like, it's hard to tell who's who around here.
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Post Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:32 pm

Masao wrote:Taking this a step further...

If deckard was a Replicant, what kind was he??

Was he just another uncontrollable Nexus 6 that would need to be retired? Was he a pet project like Rachael was supposed to be? Was he a more reliable, but less capable Nexus 5??

Considering Gaff's name, it would be easy to conclude that Deckard needed supervision. Nexus 5s while being reliable, tended to give up easier and would not defeat any number of Nexus 6s.

Nexus 6s have proven themselves way too dangerous for the task and would only be equal to any other 6 and not superior. Sending one of anything only shows a confidence reserved for a sure thing...or a tiny budget. :)

This leads to one conclusion: Deckard was something special. Like Rachel.

While this might make the most sense, people do not always operate logically.

If politics are considered, there is a good chance that Deckard is a 5 and not even the first sent after Batty and his team.

At one point in the film, Batty seems to know Deckard and taunts him. That is, he seems to know about Deckard even if he doen't actually know him. There could even be a possiblity that this was not the first Deckard sent...as long as the narration isn't used.

Finally, while the idea of using a 6 would be ruled out, there is still the number discrepancy. Was Deckard one of the replicants that was stopped at the Tyrell building only to be reprogrammed?

This too makes sense if there was a BladeRunner whose memories could be used.

If there were only Holden, then it becomes more likely that Deckard was not only one of the escaped 6s, but also Holden.

One idea that backs this up, is the original script ending where Deckard's own hand becomes a claw like Batty's.

This presents two ideas:
-Deckard had roughly the same lifespan as Batty and was roughly from the same period.

-Deckard was programmed (reprogrammed) after Holden was disabled.
If BladeRunners were common, Holden would have been replaced by a much more willing detective. He wasn't. This means BladeRunners are in short supply.

Since it would be common practice to give such a case to a remaining partner, it would be a good idea to keep Holden on the case if possible.

But then again we all know that Deckard was not a replicant, right?

:)
what u have is very interresting!
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Post Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:24 pm

check out my simple malfuntion theory and a couple of other views concerning roy ,rach, and deck. under the subject-"questions"and answ...for replicants and men, look under the reply entiltled (should've been? views for yous...) scroll down-you can't miss it :lol: By the way ,send me a message and let me know where i can find info on other models of repc. other than the nex. 6...... the other models are not really spoke about in the theatrical release. What did the ones before nex.6 look like? In the opening text it says that robot evolution advanced into the nexus phase!...............I don't believe that holden is a replic. after listening to the dialog in the deleted scenes unless he didn't know that he was. I do believe that replic. possibly can go through a transformation and cross over from being artifitial ,so to speak, to being fully operational in emotions ,thinking, and creating their own memories and weeknesses. Holden said they're almost us to deckard in the hospital room,deleted scene. Tyrell said that rach. was special (narrative v.) and an experiment . Could it be (an experiment ) that replicants can acheive true life when they develop concern and love for another or a nonreplicant :?: I think deckard said in the marvel comic ,near the end, that he had never seen someone so alive as rachael. In the deleted scenes you see 2 people begin to fufill their dream by coming out of the darkness and traveling into a new day. Rachael said she thought it was the best day of her life.. That's because it became a new day . ......What? Do people out there want R. and D. to die? :-({|= ..........Well, like I say , ..I personally think R. and D. will live a long time,life..legends do! :D
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Post Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:46 am

Right after Roy kills Tyrell and JF Sebastian, Deckard is sitting in his car doing research when a Police car comes by and stops in midair near Deckard's car, the voice on the radio of the officer in the Police car sounds very much like Deckard's voice, and it wouldn't be much of a coincidence if the real Deckard is in the same city as the replicant Deckard, the real Deckard probably goes by a different name since memories in replicants can probably be altered to suit different purposes. The real Deckard realizes that hes talking with his replicant self and tells the replicant version of himself "have a better one" which might imply that the real Deckard subliminally means have a better life than himself, or have a better one (life) after the replicant Deckard's life is over. It wouldn't be much of a coincidence either if the real Deckard is in the same city that the replicant Deckard is in, Los Angeles is a large city and also the home of the Tyrell Corp, replicant Deckard is an experiment with Nexus 6 replicants with implanted memories, since its an experiment it would be likely that Tyrell Corp would be working with LAPD in utilizing Tyrell's latest Nexus 6 with implanted memories due to replicants being illegal on Earth.

About the eye, I always thought it was Leon's eye as he approaches the Tyrell pyramid, visualizing the surreal experience of viewing the home world of your masters or predecessors/humans and the home of your creator or maker.

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