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Post Wed Oct 17, 2001 7:51 am

Paul: My comments about emotional responses are more to do with adult maturity and behavioural patterns learned from childhood through to adulthood rather than patterns of emotional behaviour 'inherited' from the (now) highly evolved human race (does that make sense?).<BR><BR>I suppose this begs the question (and I have asked this before) how are replicants made? What are the raw materials used? Are they 'grown' from modified human DNA and therefore already have the appropriate genetic 'apparatus' to deal with complex emotions in the same way that humans already can? <BR><BR>Basically, my point is that replicants, IMHO, are super-beings, with the mental capacity of an above-average intelligence human but with the emotional responses of a small child. <BR><BR>Roy exhibits very 'child-like' behaviour several times in the movie. <BR><BR>When he meets up with Pris again in JFs apartment, he looks very vulnerable.<BR><BR>Roy (to JF): 'Gosh, you really got some nice toys here.'<BR><BR>When he tells Pris that 'There's only two of us now', he looks like a little lost boy who want's his mother (which, I suppose is more or less the case!). <BR><BR>Roy even plays a game of hide-and-seek with Deckard at the end (well not really, but you know what I mean).<BR><BR>Remember Rachel's photo of her and her 'mother' - the (implanted memory) of motherly love, probably has a big positive impact on Rachels ability to handle her emotions and conversely the lack of that same 'experience' in the lives of the other Replicants can only hinder their emphatic responses.<BR><BR>The four-year thing - did Ridley introduce that idea for the movie or was it in DADOES (I must admit, I don't remember reading it in PKD's book)?<BR><BR>_________________<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><IMG SRC="http://www.deckard.worldonline.co.uk/filez/b26354.jpg" BORDER="0"><!-- BBCode End --><BR>B26354<BR><BR>--------------------------------------------<BR><BR>The difference between the impossible and the possible is equal to the difference between today and tomorrow.<BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Deckard BR26354 on 2001-10-17 14:17 ]</font>
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Post Wed Oct 17, 2001 9:07 pm

Deck: I see what you are saying, but in what you are saying one must concead that the emotions would *still* be different than humans. If the same as a small childs, the environment in which they are would be of great effect to the replicants. All have been in existance (bar Rachel I think) for four years in places where thye were used for work, battle or pleasure meaning that it is not an environment in which the regular human emotions are forged. Surely they would have as different emotions in the same way they would with my previous hypothesis about the evolution of man? correct me if I'm wrong here guys <IMG SRC="/forum/images/smiles/icon_wink.gif"><BR><BR>Even though Roy acts like a child one must also look at *why*.<BR><BR>Sebastian scenes: In these scenes, I personally felt that Roy and Pris were manipulationg (granted that's too strong a word) him. "you're our best and only friend". Sebastian is obviously shaken at first by Roy's appearance and I felt that the toy line was to remove some of the fear. His remorse with Pris is subjective to whether it is childish or not. Personally, if you lose your two best friends I think yo'd be slightly A: Pissed off, or B: Down right sad. <BR><BR>Is Roy's action merely to 'manipulate' the action and possibly is a device to make us think that the replicants are more innocent than they would be otherwise?? <BR><BR>(appologise for the conspiricy theory!)<BR><BR><BR>Gene; I feel that it *is* JF's "accelerated decrepitude" which makes him less valid as an example of human emotion ((changes his view wildly (with bad spelling) )). JF is too much like the replicants in his situation to be a proper example of human emotional depth.<BR><BR>Btw. I know Tyrell is/was a replicant, but I'm not sure about Sebastian.<BR><BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Paul G on 2001-10-18 03:11 ]</font>
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Post Wed Oct 17, 2001 11:29 pm

Deck: I agree that the reps seem 'child-like' in several parts of the movie. Esp. when Leon sticks his hand in the freezing liquid at Chew's and then stares at his hand in apparent fascination. And Leon's photo collection could be seen as somewhat child-like. (I know my kids are always cutting pictures of movies or toys they like out of newspapers, cereal boxes, anything!)<BR><BR>I also agree with Paul that Roy was manipulating Sebastian. Another thing I've noticed in these scenes is that Sebastian seems jealous when Roy is around. I don't think he wants to 'share' his new friend Pris.<BR><BR>And just to comment on the original topic . . . I'd like to see a prequel of the combat reps in action. Something that takes place Off-World. You don't even need to use the same characters. Perhaps show the 'bloody mutiny' that results in Reps being banned from Earth.
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Post Thu Oct 18, 2001 1:38 am

Paul: Thanks for the clarification - I can see where you're coming from now (hey, it takes me while, sometimes) - what your saying is that a Replicants emotions are tempered by the environment in which they operate. <BR><BR>So you would expect Roy's emotional reponses to be violent, as he's mainly operated in war situations and that's all he knows. Conversely Pris, being a 'pleasure' model, is a lot more friendly and reassuring.<BR><BR>I think I've exhausted my enthusiasm for this line of reasoning as I'm beginning to question my own understanding of what I know about human emotion in reality - I'm no psychologist!! <BR><BR>Perhaps I should finish with a comment about the original thread topic: I hate the idea of a direct sequel to Blade Runner, but have come round to the idea of a sidequel or even prequel as long as it doesn't interfere directly with the original movie and characters. I doubt they will be able to capture the feel of the original movie, whoever makes it - my only fear is that the financiers would want a gung-ho blockbuster with a happy ending to pull in the 'punters' rather than a 'thinking' movie...<BR><BR>...although I do think James Cameron did a good job with Aliens and that movie it is a totally different to Alien.<BR><BR>_________________<BR><!-- BBCode Start --><IMG SRC="http://www.deckard.worldonline.co.uk/filez/b26354.jpg" BORDER="0"><!-- BBCode End --><BR>B26354<BR><BR>--------------------------------------------<BR><BR>The difference between the impossible and the possible is equal to the difference between today and tomorrow.<BR><BR><font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Deckard BR26354 on 2001-10-18 07:42 ]</font>
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Come on <IMG SRC="/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> YOu can't be sick with the reasoning till they take you away, and even then those cool longsleeve jackets they give you are all the rage these days <IMG SRC="/forum/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif"><BR><BR><BR>Well, I'm going to post a new question to you guys on a new topic. I shall await your responces <IMG SRC="/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"><BR><BR>Paul<BR><BR>
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Post Sun Oct 21, 2001 6:09 pm

The child-like behavior is in fact a function of replicants not having the luxury of learning how to control emotion through the normal human development cycle. Blam, they have a fully functional superhuman body and brain, with no operational software which you and I take for granted. Tyrell brings up this issue when discussing Rachael's memory implants, "...if we give them the past, we create a cushion for their emotions, and subsequently, we can control them better.
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Post Mon Oct 22, 2001 1:06 am

...which is more or less what I have said in my previous comments, so on the whole I agree with you.<IMG SRC="/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif">
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Okay. I conceed defeat on this point <IMG SRC="/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"><BR><BR>But how about this....<BR><BR>If Tyrell says that, would that not be a contradiction, seeing that he himself, although this point is unclear, may not know that he is a replicant and have these memories himself. Tyrell however is anything but controled and displays cold, unexressed emotions as do the other replicants... Is this point in itself a contradiction of his statment, meaning (okay. This is a really loopy paragraph, but seeing as I cannot be bothered to re-write it, just read it and try and continue along the line of concious thought that I am traveling along <IMG SRC="/forum/images/smiles/icon_razz.gif"> )that if the memories are in place to control things and the emotions are like that type of software, what would explain Rachels widley expressed such as through her killing of Leon to save the "man" she "loves" (becomes politically correct). Even with the memories, both Rachel and Tyrell are defiancees against what they claim.<BR><BR>If you don't get this ask and I'll digress <IMG SRC="/forum/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif"> think of it as a mental challenge set by someone with too many assignments due it at the moment!<BR><BR><BR>*goes back to reading damned David Malouf poems*<BR><BR>Paul G
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Post Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:39 pm

Deckard BR26354 wrote: how are replicants made? What are the raw materials used? Are they 'grown' from modified human DNA and therefore already have the appropriate genetic 'apparatus' to deal with complex emotions in the same way that humans already can? <BR><BR>Basically, my point is that replicants, IMHO, are super-beings, with the mental capacity of an above-average intelligence human but with the emotional responses of a small child. Deckard BR26354 on 2001-10-17 14:17 ]</font>


I think you are on to it.

This is the direction I think the story most closely resembles PKDs style. Answering the question leads to a bit of paranoia and ultimately conspiracy theories.

But, when the paranoia is eased by knowlege of actual events, will the real conspiracy disappear?

Obviously, there is much more going on that what is seen on the surface.
Conspiracies must exist for that very reason...which is very PKD! No need to appolgize for that!

A prequel might just give away too much then. The story needs the air if mystery to drive its ultimate unravelling.

The key (I believe) to the story is the 'how and why' of Replicant manufacture. The second key would be of the nature of the warfare of the colonies.

If we knew the real 'why' of replicants (skin jobs in partictular) we would understand the entire nature of the BR universe.

BTW, I think Jeter touched on something important in this area...even while getting the particulars wrong.

I recently heard a radio show written by PKD. He had an interesting take on robots and distant wars.
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Post Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:10 pm

I have always fantasized about a prequel especially one depicting the off world rebellion. That would have offered tremendous opportunity for a plethora of space scenes. However it would have needed to have been done soon after within a year or two of 1982. But since BR was so very disappointingly received that would have been nixed by any potential producer. Hauer and the rest of the reps in their prime would have been a neccessity in this only imagined prequel. This missed opportunity is like "the cake left out in the rain and we'll never have the recipe again".
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Post Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:54 am

It is too bad that with all the combined talent on this site, we can't put together even the smallest project.
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Post Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:04 am

Masao wrote:It is too bad that with all the combined talent on this site, we can't put together even the smallest project.


There was a project near competition, but ran into some personal difficulties.

http://bladezone.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=824


But, agreed. With the combined talents of folks here...something could be put together. But the key is "organizing" such an endeavour. Realistically, I don't see it happening. We'll have to accept what we do get. We get the fan art, the fanfiction, and the music productions. It's a shame the "Blade Runner Chronicles" didn't get completed. But...maybe one day they will be.
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Post Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:15 am

What were the "Blade Runner Chronicles" ?
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Post Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:24 am

Masao wrote:What were the "Blade Runner Chronicles" ?


http://www.seansgallery.com/pages/bladerun.htm

Also, see link in thread mentioned in my previous message.
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Post Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:39 am

Kipple wrote:
Masao wrote:It is too bad that with all the combined talent on this site, we can't put together even the smallest project.

Realistically, I don't see it happening.


Nor do I as our love and addiction does not translate into the prime mover. Such a project would be "capital intensive" and far beyond the means of this adoration society. Big guns are needed for the initiation of such a project. It is a certainty that Ridley Scott has parsed the possibility of such a prequel on occassion. Has he frequented this site? Oft times the gods will come down and play in cyber world. "Fiery the angels fell... deep thunder roared around their shores." Anybody got his e-mail address? :lol:
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