Krokodyle wrote:Merc wrote:I suppose that could be possible (the mechanical innards would make him an older model though, wouldn't it?).
Assuming he was a rep, I think he'd have to be an older model, as it seems (my interpretation anyway) that Holden was part of/associated with the Police force for a while. Since Nexus 6 was so surprising to Chew and Sebastian (like they hadn't seen any completed N6 models--either from the rep-earth ban or not being associated with anything more than a specific aspect of the rep's construction), it'd be unlikely that Holden would be even one model number earlier...Police departments rarely get state-of-the-art equipment...so maybe he was a few models back.
I would say if Holden was a rep, that he'd be the same level as Deckard - a 6 or 7. We have to remember they are manufactured for a demand - Tyrell Corp is a business. If the police dept was to buy in a rep to hunt rep, they'd buy reps to a standard that met their requirement; and that would be a rep that would have enough instinct and understanding to be able to hunt and kill their own. In other words, they're detectives, a very human job, and as such, I'd imagine they were high grade.
But we also have to remember that the nexus 6 on Earth was meant to be a one off case. Bryant said this was new, so did Deck. JF Sebastian was surprised too. I think we can assume that its lower models which BRs on Earth normally go after, which is why this mission was such a problem.
Now if Holden was a rep assigned to take out reps on Earth, it logically stands he'd be therefore following lower models; Nexus 3 or something, and as such this would explain why both Holden and Deck have problems with the 6s; if they were both reps, they were created to hunt a lower class of rep. They were top of the line, but built to requirements, humanistic skiills to hunt low grade replicants. The N6 was all a bit of a crazy situation.
That is, if Holden was a rep (which I don't think he was - in any version). I must admit, the fluid in his mouth in the hospital scene reminded me of Ash and Bishop, so perhaps that could be an argument that Holden was a lower grade rep.
Personally, I think there is a VERY strong argument (though I don't believe its proof - there's a difference), that Holden was a rep in the FC where Deckard is. Logically, if they have chosen to have reps fighting reps, then they would probably make it a departmental role and maybe have people like Gaff as overseerers.
Yes, in the original script the idea is Gaff is a potential, and in some of the deleted scenes this is referenced, but if we take the FC as the only direct evidence, I think one could argue that Holden COULD quite likely be a rep if Deck is, though you could also postulate that Deck is the first rep to be used by the city for BR'ing - a policy change. It does make Tyrell's situation more interesting if he knows Deck is a rep, it makes the VK test on Rachel as much about testing Deck as it is Rachel.
Okay, getting off topic, but some ideas anyhow!