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Posted: **Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:30 am**

Wow!!! Disc 5 kicks ass!!!

Sure, the workprint has banding(visual defects) but this version is the first and it is really kewel. I watched it once then watched it again with Paul Sammon's commentary and can honestly say this is the first time I've actually felt a commentary track was essential. The commentary track is killer!!!

Oh, and Charles throws down yet another killer documentary on this disc...From Workprint to Final Cut.

Don't skip this disc, it is actually really good!

Posted: **Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:06 pm**

This banding video defect throughout Disc 5 is the result of a bad transfer and is not inherent in the actual film elements. I think WB should have a replacement program for this particular disc. I just thought I'd add my two cents here, eh.

Posted: **Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:31 pm**

Largo wrote:This banding video defect throughout Disc 5 is the result of a bad transfer and is not inherent in the actual film elements. I think WB should have a replacement program for this particular disc. I just thought I'd add my two cents here, eh.

When I brought up this in another topic, Charles de Lauzirika posted that "It's an inherent flaw in the Workprint. It was even worse before the new transfer was done.". That sounds like it was more a problem with the state of the workprint itself than a problem with the most recent transfer (unless I'm interpreting that wrong, heh).

Posted: **Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:02 am**

That is most interesting, Merc. But horizontal and stationary ghost-like banding sure looks like a video transfer defect to me. Sir Charles needs to fully explain this one, eh. I'm completely baffled. :?:

Posted: **Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:29 am**

Largo wrote:That is most interesting, Merc. But horizontal and stationary ghost-like banding sure looks like a video transfer defect to me. Sir Charles needs to fully explain this one, eh. I'm completely baffled.

If he said its an inherent flaw, then there is nothing he could have done about it.

Be grateful for the restoration that was done on it; workprints NEVER get this kind of treatment.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2008 11:14 am**

I really enjoyed the workprint as well, both with and without commentary.

I have a question for the resident experts though:

Paul Sammon describes some of the footage and/or audio differences in several places. One example was Gaff's additional comments to Deckard as he first takes him in his spinner to see Bryant. When I had watched the workprint without the commentary that dialog's volume was so low I had to listen closely to make sure of what I was hearing. Anyway ... one of the changes that I don't believe that Sammon commented on was the scene where Deckard was VK'ing Rachel. If I heard correctly, during the audio of his questioning where they sort of run together, I thought I heard him describing her "baby spider" memory. Did I hear this correctly? It doesn't seem to make sense that it would be in there as a VK question. I will have to go back and watch the workprint again to check my sanity but if anyone has any enlightening comments they would be appreciated.

Thanks...

Andy

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2008 12:38 pm**

Kalish wrote:I really enjoyed the workprint as well, both with and without commentary.

I have a question for the resident experts though:

Paul Sammon describes some of the footage and/or audio differences in several places. One example was Gaff's additional comments to Deckard as he first takes him in his spinner to see Bryant. When I had watched the workprint without the commentary that dialog's volume was so low I had to listen closely to make sure of what I was hearing. Anyway ... one of the changes that I don't believe that Sammon commented on was the scene where Deckard was VK'ing Rachel. If I heard correctly, during the audio of his questioning where they sort of run together, I thought I heard him describing her "baby spider" memory. Did I hear this correctly? It doesn't seem to make sense that it would be in there as a VK question. I will have to go back and watch the workprint again to check my sanity but if anyone has any enlightening comments they would be appreciated.

Thanks...

Andy

The line "orange body, green legs" is in all versions of the movie. It just happens to be significantly louder in the workprint. PMS notes this in Future Noir.

The idea of having it in is the play with the audience's memory. It's quite subtle, and very clever.

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2008 12:59 pm**

Thanks, deleted! That is indeed quite clever. I guess the volume really played tricks with my memory. It has also been some time since I read Future Noir [hangs virtual head in shame].

Posted: **Wed May 14, 2008 5:06 pm**

Kalish wrote:Thanks, deleted! That is indeed quite clever. I guess the volume really played tricks with my memory. It has also been some time since I read Future Noir [hangs virtual head in shame].

You're welcome.

Shame? Psh. I never finished reading it once. *puffs chest in proud arrogance*

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2008 3:23 am**

I have yet to see the WP with PMS's commentary, that should enlighten me a bit again...

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2008 5:31 am**

BR796164 wrote:I have yet to see the WP with PMS's commentary, that should enlighten me a bit again...

I know that there are mixed opinions out there about the level of Sammon's expertise, but personally I rather enjoyed his commentary. Some consider his book to be Bible-caliber and some aren't so fond of it. To each his/her own, of course.

As many times as I have watched the movie the fact remains that I am more of a "take it all in" type of guy rather than an "analyze the details" person. So my memory of certain aspects is often suspect, LOL. However I greatly value the people who are detail focused and are willing to share those insights on the forum. I really have to insert a BladeZone Forum plug here. I am by no means a forum addict. This is one of the very few to which I post or even read. But I have seen enough to form the opinion that this is a very high caliber one with lots of very knowledgable "true" fans. Keep up the good work!

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2008 6:57 am**

Kalish wrote:I really have to insert a BladeZone Forum plug here. I am by no means a forum addict. This is one of the very few to which I post or even read. But I have seen enough to form the opinion that this is a very high caliber one with lots of very knowledgable "true" fans. Keep up the good work!

I am proud and honoured to be involved with this forum. Enough can not be written about the folks who participate and share their insight here.

Posted: **Thu May 15, 2008 4:42 pm**

BR796164 wrote:I have yet to see the WP with PMS's commentary

Me too.

I've heard very good things about it and I'm really looking forward to hearing it.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 5:25 am**

I certainly enjoyed it but whether you enjoy it or not Sammon certainly gives you your money's worth. He is pretty much talking throughout the entire movie.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2008 8:39 am**

It's just shame that the commentaries aren't subtitled... I have some trouble understanding English spoken fast or with bad pronuncation + some accent or when there are more people and sometimes they talk over each other.

But I loved how Fancher and Peoples were nagging each other in the FC commentary,

Fancher : "Hey you wrote this stuff"
Peoples : "No mate, that's your dialogue, I just polished it."
Fancher : "How come? I knew you changed a lot in this area. This is yours."
Peoples : "Hampton, I swear by God, you don't know your own script!!!"

HAHAHA, Harber and Deeley must've had fun listening to this comical duo arguing. :lol:

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