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Posted: **Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:09 am**

With all of the new changes for the final cut, does this mean 25 years of discussion and debate means nothing?

It seems like everything said and published by fans and others will ultimately not matter at all.

A very strange new future indeed.

Any thoughts on this??

Posted: **Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:19 am**

What do you mean it hasn't mattered at all?

25 years of discussion and debate means nothing? How's that?

Posted: **Thu Aug 09, 2007 3:32 am**

Masao wrote:With all of the new changes for the final cut, does this mean 25 years of discussion and debate means nothing?

It seems like everything said and published by fans and others will ultimately not matter at all.

A very strange new future indeed.

Any thoughts on this??

The Final Cut means this is Scott's final edit of the movie. This is what he meant to make all those years ago. Everything we've debated will matter all the more because of this release; in fact, we'll have MORE to debate thanks to this.

Posted: **Thu Aug 09, 2007 5:39 am**

Kipple wrote:What do you mean it hasn't mattered at all?

25 years of discussion and debate means nothing? How's that?

Yep, that's about the size of it.

Considering that none of us has seen the official-last-final version; none of us can actually have an opinion until Dec.

With something like 47 min. of additional footage and 5 endings, and a new voice-over, how can we??

Some fans may even NOT like it.

It reminds me of the first Spiderman film where they ignored the first 15 years of the story:"Thanks for all the money kids. Read my finger!"

No one can have much of an opinion of the film until they see it. Which means all current opinions are meaningless.

That's how. Don't blame me, I didn't make the film...again :lol:

Posted: **Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:40 am**

Masao wrote:
Kipple wrote:What do you mean it hasn't mattered at all?

25 years of discussion and debate means nothing? How's that?

Yep, that's about the size of it.

Considering that none of us has seen the official-last-final version; none of us can actually have an opinion until Dec.

With something like 47 min. of additional footage and 5 endings, and a new voice-over, how can we??

Some fans may even NOT like it.

It reminds me of the first Spiderman film where they ignored the first 15 years of the story:"Thanks for all the money kids. Read my finger!"

No one can have much of an opinion of the film until they see it. Which means all current opinions are meaningless.

That's how. Don't blame me, I didn't make the film...again

The 47 minutes, alternate endings and alternate voiceovers are not in the Final Cut, though...

And no, those opinions are not meaningless...why such a hard negative view?

Posted: **Thu Aug 09, 2007 11:42 am**

Your not making much sense, It sounds like you are saying all the last 25 years of discussions are meaningless untill we see the final cut? Or maybe because this Ridley's final version we are no longer allowed to have opinions on it?

Actually it is more Charlie De Lauzirika's final cut, though Ridley did have final say. If Ridley had got the movie done like he originally wanted, it would have had additional footage that they had ran out of money for. That isn't happening. It is just getting cleaned up, fixed (wires, stunt doubles,lip flap), and having a few small shots that were edited out reinserted. It will in no way change the 25 years of personal experiences that I have had with the movie. It may however open me up to some new ways of seeing it. Some of our last 25 years worth of discussions may end up seeming less important, or even archaic, but in the end we will still be talking about the movie no matter what.

Maybe what you are trying to say is that the our greatest desire is finally going to be ours, and then now what do we dream for?

Posted: **Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:50 pm**

ridleynoir, good points.

Masao, can you restate what you said?

Posted: **Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:32 pm**

deleted wrote:ridleynoir, good points.

Masao, can you restate what you said?

deleted...I think you're missing the point...again. :lol:

(JUST KIDDING!!!)

Posted: **Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:41 pm**

I think I might be missing the point too

Posted: **Thu Aug 09, 2007 2:51 pm**

Kipple wrote:
deleted wrote:ridleynoir, good points.

Masao, can you restate what you said?

deleted...I think you're missing the point...again.

(JUST KIDDING!!!)

Oh ho!

What do you mean it hasn't mattered at all?

25 years of discussion and debate means nothing? How's that?

I think I might be missing the point too Smile

Seems I'm not alone! :lol:

But seriously, I'm definitely missing something here.[/quote]

Posted: **Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:40 pm**

I think to say the last 25 years of discussion is meaningless is the kind of thing a kid would say, a kid who doesn't know any better, and is maybe looking to start some trouble at the expense of others. A kid who knows the film means a lot to some devoted fans, and is trying to be cheeky.

:roll:

Posted: **Thu Aug 09, 2007 9:54 pm**

Eli Booker wrote:I think to say the last 25 years of discussion is meaningless is the kind of thing a kid would say, a kid who doesn't know any better, and is maybe looking to start some trouble at the expense of others. A kid who knows the film means a lot to some devoted fans, and is trying to be cheeky.

Hardly.

The question uses more of a PKD idea. If the film is a "totally new film" as advertised, doesn't that mean that any previous discussion is invalidated? Or more simply: "You have no memory of this film that you have not yet seen. How can you have an opinion on it?".

Simple question. Fighting the question does not begin to answer it.

Posted: **Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:31 pm**

Where is it being advertised as a "totally new film"? Are you trying to sound clever? Just so you know, we are unable to read your mind. When you are talking with close friends who you already have a context of discussing things with, you don't have to be completely clear. On the internet, that just is opening your self up to all kinds of misinterpretation.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:24 am**

Sorry, I thought all fans would have seen the San Diego Comicon BR presentation by now either by attending or on Youtube.

I don't have a link but it was pretty easy to find.

Posted: **Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:31 am**

I have seen it and posted the links on propsummit. Where does anybody say it is a "totally new film"? Unless you are talking about the 47 minutes of cut footage that is edited together chronologically with unused voice over, that will seem like a totally new film? It will be on the bonus and documentary disc. He said the actual 'Final Cut' film is going to be almost impossible to tell apart. Not to mention that every version of the film will be available in the box sets.

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