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Posted: **Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:03 pm**

my wife and I were watching the DC recently (oh, what was he thinking? :roll:

) and my wife actually asked.

How come the Security system allowed Batty in the premises? Or at least advise Tyrell that JF had a "friend" with him. Security that lax?

And where was Security when Tyrell was attacked? JF?

Pretty shoddy for a premire corporation.

Comments?

Posted: **Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:56 am**

Jaxon06 wrote:How come the Security system allowed Batty in the premises? Or at least advise Tyrell that JF had a "friend" with him. Security that lax? And where was Security when Tyrell was attacked? JF?

Just some thoughts:

I believe these questions addresses Tyrell's state of mind and the Tyrell-Sebastian relationship.

Tyrell should have tight security, right? So, why doesn't he (other than to make the story move along)?

I see Tyrell as confident to the point of arrogance, far from the harried, pressured character portrayed in the DADOES novel. To my mind, he represents "God" in the story. Sure, Tyrell should have tightened security, especially in the wake of the first break-in and Leon's subsequent infiltration. He doesn't because he doesn't feel a direct threat. Even when Batty does gain entry, Tyrell doesn't panic. He shows a fatherly attitude to his prodigal "son" and we again see his "godly arrogance."

Regarding the Tyrell-Sebastian relationship; it's obvious to me that Tyrell trusts Sebastian because he sees him as inferior. To take the "Tyrell as God" reference further, Sebastian is but an archangel; gifted, but harmless and childlike, as well.

When "Sebastian" manages to defeat Tyrell at chess, Tyrell's inquisitiveness leads him to allow Sebastian entry. His arrogance allows him to feel no need for fear.

Posted: **Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:59 pm**

For me, I think Tyrell knew it was his destiny to die at the hands of Roy. For 2 reasons...

#1 - He's not shocked when Roy walks in & expected him.

#2 - subtle, but remember the implanted memory of the baby spiders hatching to eat their mother?

Posted: **Wed Apr 18, 2007 12:29 am**

The Tyrell Pyramids were mega complexes that were the size of a small city. They probably had employee housing and all kinds of other things that would need a reletively open front door. Any security would probably be easily bypassed by having Sebastian's credentials. In general replicants were no threat to Tyrell and they would only think they would be trying to infiltrate to get info(as they were). The security at that point would have been around sensitive areas. Tyrell also had the last security measure all to himself. The elevator would go no where near his floor with out his permission. I also think we are too used to elaborate "movie" security systems which are generally unrealistic.

As far as Tyrell knowing that his demise was imminent is plausible especially with the unfilmed scripted part of finding the real Tyrell in cryogenic suspension(already dead). He the could be born again as a new replicant with his memory implants and thus did not fear death.

Posted: **Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:43 pm**

It's also possible we're a bunch of zealous Blade Runner fans trying to justify a plot oversight.

Posted: **Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:18 pm**

deleted wrote:It's also possible we're a bunch of zealous Blade Runner fans trying to justify a plot oversight.

I'm with you.

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:23 am**

Jaxon06 wrote:
deleted wrote:It's also possible we're a bunch of zealous Blade Runner fans trying to justify a plot oversight.

I'm with you.

(just my 2 cents)
I think you have asked a good question here, Jaxon. And there have been some interesting comments, which is what you requested. If there is a plot goof, this is the perfect place to discuss how we, as fans, justify it.
Personally, I find myself doing this while watching movies all the time... Especially if I like it and don't want the Holes to ruin the experience.

That being said, I'd like to add a possibility(or justification,in this case

) for Roy's escape:

Maybe he jumped out the window like Clovis did in the game. The pyramid doesn't drop straight down so he wouldn't fall to his death. He could even ride the elevator down the side.
Okay... maybe I am clutching at straw here :roll:

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2007 12:53 am**

I am just saying it is more plausible if you actually think about it rather than use past movie concepts for your sense of the "realism". Since pretty much none of us have ever worked at a mega complex or have any real info on such, all we have to work with is assumption and other movies we have seen. When we assume we are usually wrong and movies make us think that cars explode when shot in the gass tank, but they don't. It seems perfectly plausible to me, maybe the movie needs to establish more of the make up of the interior of the Pyramid for this to come accross right. If I had not read all the behind the scene concept stuff for the movie I would also feel it to be implausible. Sorry if it just seems like I am trying to justify a plot hole but this has been talked about many times before even by the script writers. So I hope you can excuse my geek attack

By the way they show Roy riding the elevator down from Tyrells office.

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2007 10:46 am**

ridleynoir wrote:By the way they show Roy riding the elevator down from Tyrells office.

Oops

So true... I forgot about that. #-o

Duh
*half asleep when that idea popped into my head*

I was thinking of him riding on top of the elevator. Well, he could

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:10 pm**

ridleynoir wrote:I am just saying it is more plausible if you actually think about it rather than use past movie concepts for your sense of the "realism". Since pretty much none of us have ever worked at a mega complex or have any real info on such, all we have to work with is assumption and other movies we have seen. When we assume we are usually wrong and movies make us think that cars explode when shot in the gass tank, but they don't. It seems perfectly plausible to me, maybe the movie needs to establish more of the make up of the interior of the Pyramid for this to come accross right. If I had not read all the behind the scene concept stuff for the movie I would also feel it to be implausible. Sorry if it just seems like I am trying to justify a plot hole but this has been talked about many times before even by the script writers. So I hope you can excuse my geek attack

By the way they show Roy riding the elevator down from Tyrells office.

Well, I don't approve of any kind of attack on a Blade Runner fan from another one. :wink:

I understand what you're saying though. I'm just offering another possibility, like the other posts here.

Oh, and I'll show my geekiness. When Roy is riding down the elevator, he's holding Sebastian's jacket. You can see it for about a second on the new DC DVD. Rutger Hauer made mention of this in Future Noir.

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:41 pm**

Sorry. The worst part of a "Geek Attack" is of course the high pitched nasaly whining/squealing noise. :lol:

I remember reading that about Roy holding the Jacket and going right back to watch the movie expicitly to see if I could see it.

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:48 pm**

I also think we are too used to elaborate "movie" security systems which are generally unrealistic.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Posted: **Fri Apr 20, 2007 11:56 pm**

Not that this really answers the question, but The Edge of Human makes minor reference to this little detail. Sarah Tyrell blames the Blade Runners for not doing their job in protecting the big cheese.

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